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jps246 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  6:13 pm           
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Post: 199605
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: rkingfish
So when we create the document in Word we're supposed to leave no spaces between paragraphs to accommodate the new format?

Is this seriously being sold to us as progress?

I'm not sure - I've run across this problem with almost all of the WYSIWYG web text editors. I assume it has something to do with the way that the word processor is editing the text.

It's going to take some fiddling around to get used to and I'm sure that Eps will continue to refine it.

If folks want functions like spell check and stuff, you have to have an editor like this to make it happen.
   
pilarzmom Posted: Aug 27 '08,  6:18 pm           
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Post: 199606
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: rkingfish
So when we create the document in Word we're supposed to leave no spaces between paragraphs to accommodate the new format?

Is this seriously being sold to us as progress?


I think the assumption is that the "average" user just types their review directly into Epinions. For them this is progress.
   
popsrocks Posted: Aug 27 '08,  6:23 pm           
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moderator in Gourmet, Restaurants
Post: 199609
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I know I have been complainin' and lookin' for help.


I have found out that I have to read instructions. Specifically, Use the "HTML" button to edit the HTML tags of your review.

That's not a thing I'm used to and I hate that I'll have to do that every time I update an older review but at least I now know how to do it.

Thanks to all for jumpin' in and givin this dude a little help.

pops

   
dragonfire88 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  6:41 pm           
Reviews written: 1175
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 199610
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: pilarzmom
I think the assumption is that the "average" user just types their review directly into Epinions. For them this is progress.


That may be, but it isn't progress for all of us who don't type directly into the editor.

Why can't there be an option to use the other editor thing for those of us who were happy with that version?

The announcement about the new editor says it is supposed to make things easier for everyone to post a review. Well I know I'm just one person, but it isn't going to make it easier for me. It's going to make it harder.

I'm not trying to be critical or negative here, but this new editor is going to make posting a hassle for me.
   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:01 pm           
Reviews written: 733
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199611
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: jps246
Many newbies write without any spaces between paragraphs which makes for one giant mash of text that's next to impossible to read. The editor automatically adds the space between paragraphs.

Oh God, you mean that spacing crap is still in there? *groans* I just want to post one review and now I'm already gearing up to shove a fork in my eye.

I HATE THAT SPACING CRAP (and I'm not afraid to say it).

NT
   
rkingfish Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:01 pm           
Reviews written: 310
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Post: 199612
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

It's obvious from the comments posted here that some members are familiar with the new format; having experienced a similar format at other sites.

I have never used this format before. If there was a step-by-step "owner's manual" style document posted before the format's introduction, there would be less time wasted and fewer frustrations necessarily expressed here.

For example: If I hit the "edit html" icon and do the edit, do I need to hit the icon again as a close, or do I simply proceed? How do I deal with the triple-spaces between paragraphs that will correct in edit but post incorrectly when published?

I am currently posting with less frequency due to an upcoming move to another state. I would like to post a review between the periods of chaos, but I don't have time to tinker with this thing right now. The few lines of instruction that appeared in the Member Center are wholly inadequate and are of no help to me whatsoever.

From my perspective, this poorly planned "improvement" has been introduced at the worst possible time.

BTW... I looked at "New Reviews" before this post. Several reviews were presenting rather poorly. Folks are really struggling with this thing.

   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:22 pm           
Reviews written: 733
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199613
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I'm going to post a review soon.

If it doesn't accept a paste-in from Microsoft Word, I may very well kill someone.

Just thought I'd put out a warning.

   
chelledun Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:26 pm           
Reviews written: 1048
Member since: May 16 '03
moderator in Hotels & Travel
Post: 199614
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I've been fighting with this for more than a half hour. Apparently I can have either normal spacing or bold font titles but not both. ARRRRGGGGHHH.

Michelle

   
pilarzmom Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:44 pm           
Reviews written: 772
Member since: Jan 18 '03
Post: 199615
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: chelledun
I've been fighting with this for more than a half hour. Apparently I can have either normal spacing or bold font titles but not both. ARRRRGGGGHHH.

Michelle


I saw your review . . . I could tell you were struggling with the spacing :)
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:45 pm (Updated: Aug 27 '08,  7:49 pm)           
Reviews written: 631
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199616
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I've been playing with the new editor, just to get a feel for it. For those of you experiencing the You have an opening ... without a closing ... error, it's pretty easy to see what's going on, if you hit the HTML edit button.

If line 1 is bolded, and line two isn't then what you want to see is this:

[b]line1[/b][br /][br /]line2

What you don't want to see is this:

[b]line1[br />[/b][br /]line2

See the difference... the line break is inside the bolding. That's really an error on the editor's part. And hopefully it'll be fixed.

The good news is that it's easy to fix this ourselves. You can use the HTML editor to move those symbols around, then hit "update". Or, you can use the highlight text and hit the bold button method but you have to be really careful to include only the text in your highlight, not the end of line character (the extra space at the end of the line). I've been playing with this for a while, and it seems to work.

Pretty? No. But at least it works.


eta: I've only played with typing directly into the form. I haven't played with cut & paste yet. That'll be tomorrow's task.

   
dlstewart Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:47 pm (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  3:13 pm)           
Reviews written: 1173
Member since: May 31 '02
Post: 199617
40 Minutes to Post My Review

Whew!!! What an unpleasant experience. It took me 40 minutes to post a simple review of a garden bean!

First I tried to copy the Word Document as described in the instructions. All that weird spacing. No matter how I tried to correct it, nothing worked.

Then I translated my entire review into HTML. I kept receiving the infamous error (and my HTML was perfect):

You have an opening B without a closing B
You have a closing without an opening

After fudging with this review posting for way too long ... I finally was able to use the Word cut-and-paste feature. However, I had to eliminate all wording in bold font and type them in capital letters instead for emphasis. For some reason, this also helped with the spacing in the review.

I think I've earned a good night's rest! :)

~~ Dawn

Edited to Add: It's the next day ... and everything is working great. I wrote another review in MS Word, and used the Word button to copy-and-paste my review for posting. The text formatted beautifully (bolded headings, proper spacing, links). This is fantastic!!!!!!

   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:48 pm           
Reviews written: 733
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199618
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I HATE THIS THING.

I quit. I'm posting my reivew in it's craptastic form. I'm not going to wrestle with this @$*^@#(!*&@# thing for another 20 or more minutes.

If my DELETE button breaks in the future for trying to delete all the random added extra spaces or trying to find HTML that ISN'T THERE, Epinions has to buy me a new freaking keyboard.

Once again I would like to know why Epinions is putting out things that don't work...

   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:49 pm (Updated: Aug 27 '08,  7:55 pm)           
Reviews written: 733
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199619
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: ladyconsumer
I've been playing with the new editor, just to get a feel for it. For those of you experiencing the You have an opening ... without a closing ... error, it's pretty easy to see what's going on, if you hit the HTML edit button.

If line 1 is bolded, and line two isn't then what you want to see is this:

[b]line1[/b][br /][br /]line2

What you don't want to see is this:

[b]line1[br />[/b][br /]line2

See the difference... the line break is inside the bolding. That's really an error on the editor's part. And hopefully it'll be fixed.

The good news is that it's easy to fix this ourselves. You can use the HTML editor to move those symbols around, then hit "update". Or, you can use the highlight text and hit the bold button method but you have to be really careful to include only the text in your highlight, not the end of line character (the extra space at the end of the line). I've been playing with this for a while, and it seems to work.

Pretty? No. But at least it works.

Not always. I had a handful that I simply could not find and I even used the find function and tried turning all the italics off (which failed).

ETA: I have to go watch a funny movie now before I get too violent.
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 27 '08,  7:53 pm (Updated: Aug 27 '08,  8:02 pm)           
Reviews written: 631
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199620
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Huh. I haven't had that problem - and I've been playing for an hour straight, just trying to get a feel for it. Can you email me the html source... I'll be happy to take a look. (Sometimes four eyes are better than two).


eta: That is, tomorrow I'll be happy to take a look. Off to get some shut-eye, now.

   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  8:02 pm           
Reviews written: 733
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199621
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: ladyconsumer
Huh. I haven't had that problem - and I've been playing for an hour straight, just trying to get a feel for it. Can you email me the html source... I'll be happy to take a look. (Sometimes four eyes are better than two).

No. I'm done with it. I'm washing my hands of this thing until I decide whether or not to post another 10 reviews next month (if the contest is still going).

Try cutting and pasting. I'm sure you'll have fun with that...
   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  8:05 pm           
Reviews written: 494
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 199622
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: ssjakira1
No. I'm done with it. I'm washing my hands of this thing until I decide whether or not to post another 10 reviews next month (if the contest is still going).

Try cutting and pasting. I'm sure you'll have fun with that...

Nicole . . .Go to bed.

. . . ...:{{{hugs}}}minism:...


Things will look (and work) better the next time you look at it. You have just had your fill of 'farking with it' for tonight.


See ya next time, OK..??



...tom...
.
   
popsrocks Posted: Aug 27 '08,  8:10 pm           
Reviews written: 2147
Member since: Aug 25 '02
moderator in Gourmet, Restaurants
Post: 199624
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I thought I had this thing down but I just can't get rid of html codes because of spacing and bolding.

I'll have to simply do it without codes until this all "clicks" in my mind. I have to try and get five more reviews up for this month which would not have been a problem until this. I could have had two of them finished tonight. I don't have many more hours off work till the end of the month. Poor timing for rolling this out if you ask me. I suppose I can dress up my reviews once I get the hang of this.

I wonder how newbies are doing? Probably OK because they aren't getting involved with B and I yet.

frustratedpops

   
roheblius Posted: Aug 27 '08,  9:18 pm           
Reviews written: 598
Member since: Dec 13 '99
moderator in Music
Post: 199626
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

If we have an editor now, why don't we try writing directly in the Epinions box now instead of in Word or in some sort of Text Editor?

You can always copy and paste back into Word.

I had zero problems, but I always use the Epinions box when I write reviews.

   
ifif1938 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  9:27 pm           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 199628
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: popsrocks
I thought I had this thing down but I just can't get rid of html codes because of spacing and bolding.

I'll have to simply do it without codes until this all "clicks" in my mind. I have to try and get five more reviews up for this month which would not have been a problem until this. I could have had two of them finished tonight. I don't have many more hours off work till the end of the month. Poor timing for rolling this out if you ask me. I suppose I can dress up my reviews once I get the hang of this.

I wonder how newbies are doing? Probably OK because they aren't getting involved with B and I yet.

frustratedpops


Oh now I'm very nervous about posting the two reviews I wanted to finish for tomorrow...I have to post 3 more for the month or I'm toast......and what will this mean to those of us who are hosting write-offs that include links between the two reviews...I have a feeling that might be a nightmare..

and I will really miss Bolding my titles..:(

going to bed now very discouraged for when Pops is upset with anything on the site that is very unusual..


   
pablothegreat Posted: Aug 27 '08,  9:29 pm           
Reviews written: 919
Member since: Dec 05 '07
Post: 199629
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I figured it out from an earlier post here...there is a boo boo in the code making the error. It didn't work even writing directly into the new editor. It come up as the error...b without a / b.

So I hit the html button, searched through every word until I found it, corrected it and submitted. The second review, I deleted all html and did without. Too much trouble to go through so much text to look for the error which wasn't even my fault. I didn't forget to put in the ending / b, the editor did. Hope that makes sense. Hard to search out the issue when I am not doing the code myself but the editor is! Eyestrain!

Will that error be fixed? Seems it isn't just me but everyone having the same error happen.

Quote: roheblius
If we have an editor now, why don't we try writing directly in the Epinions box now instead of in Word or in some sort of Text Editor?

You can always copy and paste back into Word.

I had zero problems, but I always use the Epinions box when I write reviews.

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