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| yoelc |
Original Post: Oct 31 '08, 11:11 am (Updated: Dec 15 '08, 4:40 pm) |
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Reviews written: 11 Member since: Nov 14 '06
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Reviews without products
Description: What does this problem look like?
You will not see a product title, product image, a view details tab, or a compare prices tab on the review page. Links to see all reviews, comments, ratings will not work. The messaging in the profile page review list reads: "Product information unavailable/Category information unavailable and Vertical information unavailable"
Cause:
As part of the 2008 catalog migration to the Shopping.com catalog there were a small number of Epinions products with reviews that didn’t have an equivalent product. A related bug exists for products in the Media categories (Books, Movies, Music). Due to our media catalog coming from a 3rd party, products may be dropped from the site upon catalog refresh.
Impact:
Reviews in this state cannot be updated, commented on, and rated. These reviews are not counted in the Most Popular lists. You cannot see the comments left prior to this state or any ratings beyond what is on the page. The comments and ratings are still valid and in the database. Once the review is attached to a product you will be able to update, view/post comments, and read/post ratings. Reviews in this state still earn Income Share, if eligible.
Continued below...
Things you can do:
1. Look for the product on Epinions. It's possible our process for mapping products missed yours. If you find a match you should move your review.
2. Add the product title, author, model info, etc. to your past and future reviews. This will help the reader.
3. Request the product to be added to the database via a category lead.
4. Media products added to the catalog via SAP are not subject to Media catalog updates and will not be dropped.
Things we are doing:
1. In November we started to move reviews in small batches to existing products or SAPd products. We'll continue working on this problem through early 2009.
2. In early 2009 we are going to improve the user experience on these pages by adding messaging about missing product information and what the author can/can't do on that page.
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager
**12/15/08*** Edited to correct the statement about these reviews in the "Most Popular" lists. These reviews are NOT counted in the "Most Popular" lists. |
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| captaind |
Posted: Oct 31 '08, 11:31 am |
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Reviews written: 1055 Member since: Jan 19 '03
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: yoelc details to come
GAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
TOOOOO
MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH
SUSPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE!!!!!
CaptainD
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| zither |
Posted: Nov 01 '08, 4:55 am |
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Reviews written: 48 Member since: Mar 25 '07
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I'm Waaaaiting
Yeah, what do I do about those? I have a perfectly good review sitting there, and the book has gone MIA. |
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| telynor |
Posted: Nov 01 '08, 7:04 am |
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Reviews written: 1632 Member since: Feb 19 '01
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Reviews to come
Yes, I've been waiting to hear something about this too. I've got at least six book reviews backed up and waiting for _someplace_ to put them here on Epinions. I wish there was an easier way to do this. In any case, I'll go back to patiently waiting... Regards, Telynor |
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| thewisefool |
Posted: Nov 01 '08, 12:03 pm |
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Reviews written: 61 Member since: Mar 25 '05
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Good news
A couple of days ago, I deleted a review of mine that had lost the product to go with it, only to see two more of my reviews lose products today as well. I am not deleting those two and will wait for them to get moved back to the products with which they were once associated. |
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| Stephen_Murray |
Posted: Nov 02 '08, 7:07 am |
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Reviews written: 2325 Member since: Jun 21 '00
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most popular reviews
ALL (six, I think) of my book reviews in the top thousand and displaying on my profile page have invisible product listings (titles).
Plus, the constant progress in the search engine to which Andy laid claim before fleeing has led me to decide that if I cannot find something on Eps, I'll review it elsewhere. What is added through the hard work of CLs SAP can't be found by the search engine, so why bother them or bother posting something here that no one else will be able to find? |
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Nov 07 '08, 6:57 pm (Updated: Nov 07 '08, 6:57 pm) |
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Reviews written: 0 Member since: Oct 04 '05
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RE: most popular reviews
Quote: Stephen_Murray ...invisible product listings ... the constant progress in the search engine
One thing we're trying to do differently than in previous administrations is to tell the community what we're doing, do it, and then let you all know we did it -- as opposed to telling people what we'll do next year and then having the project fall off the edge of the table.
So, we're still in the process of determining what needs to be done regarding product-orphaned reviews (PORs). But the existence of this thread means we're actively engaged on this issue and should have a response soon.
As for search, there is definite movement on this front. Can't say anything yet, since it's still an incipient project.
damon
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Epinions Engineer
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| adriennefoster |
Posted: Nov 10 '08, 12:51 pm |
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Reviews written: 259 Member since: Feb 20 '02
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RE: most popular reviews
I have always been annoyed at how Muse handles the updates of the catalog. Why do they have to break all of the older links to the search engine to add new products? Instead of doing a mass integration, they should consider entering new topics one at a time. Unless a topic already has a showing review on it or someone happens to have it saved on their wish list, then it can never be found again and CLs end up creating unnecessary duplicates. If a topic has a showing review on it, at least we can find it through Google, but less experienced users aren't going to think to do that.
Adrienne
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| ladyconsumer |
Posted: Nov 15 '08, 4:53 am |
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Reviews written: 630 Member since: Jul 11 '05
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RE: Reviews without products
Thanks for the update. Just one question:
Quote: yoelc Reviews in this state cannot be updated, commented on, and rated.
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Quote: yoelc 2. Update your review with the product title, author, model info, etc. if it's not there already.
Aren't these inconsistent statments?
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| sussmanbern |
Posted: Nov 16 '08, 6:30 am |
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Reviews written: 373 Member since: Dec 21 '99
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RE: Reviews without products
I have not only noticed this occurrence with several of my book reviews BUT ALSO that I cannot revise those same reviews.
I usually do not repeat the book's title in my review title, figuring that Epinions does that automatically. But now that some of my reviews say "no such product" or whatever this new caption is, I wanted to go back and make sure that my review gave the name of the book and its author in either my review title or my first paragraph. But I cannot. I click on the Update option and nothing happens.
So Epinions has, effectively, made those reviews completely pointless since readers cannot figure out what book I am reviewing.
But this will change the way I write reviews in the future.
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| yoelc |
Posted: Nov 17 '08, 11:13 pm |
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Reviews written: 11 Member since: Nov 14 '06
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: ladyconsumer Thanks for the update. Just one question:
and
Aren't these inconsistent statments?
Yes, those are inconsistent. It should say "Please add the product name to past and future reviews. I'll edit my posting.
Thanks,
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager |
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| ladyconsumer |
Posted: Nov 18 '08, 2:22 pm |
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Reviews written: 630 Member since: Jul 11 '05
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: yoelc Please add the product name to past and future reviews.
Ohhh... that makes much more sense. :-)
I nearly always put the name of the product in my title just as a habit. I can see where it would really help, with these "orphaned" reviews.
Mona |
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| dandj |
Posted: Nov 23 '08, 7:06 pm |
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Reviews written: 434 Member since: Dec 29 '99
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: yoelc
Impact:
...and are counted in the Most Popular lists.
This statement seems inaccurate. One of my orphaned reviews was in the upper 200's of the book MPRs and is now nonexistent. Also, due to the loss of that review, and my others, I have remained about 20 places behind where I was in the MPA lists.
~*~Danielle~*~
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| yoelc |
Posted: Nov 23 '08, 9:37 pm |
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Reviews written: 11 Member since: Nov 14 '06
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: dandj This statement seems inaccurate. One of my orphaned reviews was in the upper 200's of the book MPRs and is now nonexistent. Also, due to the loss of that review, and my others, I have remained about 20 places behind where I was in the MPA lists.
~*~Danielle~*~
Hi Danielle,
I know it was brought up before and investigated. Let me check again with the team.
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager |
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| coldpal |
Posted: Nov 24 '08, 4:15 pm |
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Reviews written: 0 Member since: Nov 24 '08
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gas fireplace inserts reviews
PLEASE, see last review of this type. Follow-up on your list of recommended 'small manufacturers' of natural gas inserts, direct vent.
[very expensive investment] Thanks ! |
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| dandj |
Posted: Nov 24 '08, 6:20 pm |
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Reviews written: 434 Member since: Dec 29 '99
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: yoelc Hi Danielle,
I know it was brought up before and investigated. Let me check again with the team.
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager
Thank you, Yoel. If you need a specific example, let me know. I'll be happy to provide a link.
~*~Danielle~*~ |
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| yoelc |
Posted: Dec 15 '08, 4:37 pm |
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Reviews written: 11 Member since: Nov 14 '06
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RE: Reviews without products
Quote: dandj Thank you, Yoel. If you need a specific example, let me know. I'll be happy to provide a link.
~*~Danielle~*~
Danielle (and anyone else),
This is definitely a problem and we are working on ways to resolve it for the December update.
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager |
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| skbreese |
Posted: Dec 28 '08, 11:22 am |
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Reviews written: 1142 Member since: Jun 29 '01
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Over America
I had this product (DVD) on my wish list, which I use to track items I plan to review in the near future and it suddenly disappeared. Is this due to these same issues? It sounds like I can get it re-added by the category lead. Is this correct? Sheila |
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| pvreditor |
Posted: Dec 30 '08, 7:10 am |
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Reviews written: 404 Member since: May 31 '02
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RE: Over America
Quote: skbreese I had this product (DVD) on my wish list, which I use to track items I plan to review in the near future and it suddenly disappeared. Is this due to these same issues? It sounds like I can get it re-added by the category lead. Is this correct? Sheila
See the post by Millinocket (Sue) posted at:
http://www.epinions.com/msg/show_~threads/cat_id_~121/id_~22898/forum_id_~441/pp_~1#213008
I think that explains what happened with the listing for Over America.
--Bob |
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| skbreese |
Posted: Dec 31 '08, 6:49 am |
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Reviews written: 1142 Member since: Jun 29 '01
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RE: Over America
Thanks Bob, this sounds like the problem I've run into. Sue's explanation is very helpful. Sheila |