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Re: My favourite comment on this movie... (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Dave:
Yeah, man.
(Sorry, that just seemed the only logical response!)
I agree in principal, but just because it's not a great translation of Homer's epic doesn't mean it wasn't a great film in its own right.
(But then maybe I'll change my mind after reading The Iliad - who knows?)
CaptainD
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May 20 '04
3:01 pm PDT
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My favourite comment on this movie... (Reply to this comment)
by hist
is from Ebert (among others), who points out that having introspection in a film taken from the Greek myths is completely missing the point of the Greek myths. Heroes in these myths are larger than life, and to have them sit and brood, wondering about their place in history, is just wrong. As another commenter pointed out, Achilles is a warrior, not an intellectual.
Dave
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May 20 '04
2:12 pm PDT
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Re: yup (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hey Gary!
Glad you liked it and found it useful - I aim to please! :-P
CaptainD
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May 18 '04
3:05 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Your threats don't frighten me, boy.
(Oh hang on did you mention telling the wife?!?!?!)
CaptainPanicking
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May 18 '04
3:05 pm PDT
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yup (Reply to this comment)
by garym
I enjoyed the review. The update was especially valuable.
Thanks for the info.
Gary
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May 18 '04
1:52 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by carl_lazarevic
Oh please; a butt naked Brad Pitt; surely you were destined to love this film. What was Dave's reason, and before anyone mentions Diane Kruger remember that I shall be reporting all answers back to Dave's misses.
Carlnator
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May 18 '04
10:27 am PDT
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Re: We've got totally differing viewpoints on this... (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hey Ed!
Thanks - I just read your review too and really enjoyed it, despite disagreeing with a lot of it! It's always good to see an alternative viewpoint well expressed.
CaptainD
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May 17 '04
7:46 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Doc, we stood up to the world and Shannon who didnt like The League of Extraordinary Gentleman, so we will weather this storm too. (And with Tim's mad teleporting skills, how can we lose?!?!?!?)
CaptainDeranged
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May 17 '04
7:45 am PDT
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We've got totally differing viewpoints on this... (Reply to this comment)
by edmaidel
..but your review is exceptionally well put together, especially your breakdown by characters, director and such. A good read!
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May 17 '04
6:15 am PDT
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Re: Re: Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by drdevience
Ayup...
Looks like you and me against the dorks once again, D! We have George on our side this time though... and Flamepillar..
So nyah nyah to the Carlnator!
Doc
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May 16 '04
6:21 pm PDT
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Re: Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
The same reason I knew you would give it a low rating... (I have taste, you don't...)
BTW - how did I know you still can't type? (BUG surprise...)
CaptainTasteful
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May 16 '04
2:46 am PDT
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Re: Sounds good... (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hey Quinn!
I'm not a great fan of Pitt either, but he was very good in this. Eric Bana is not an actor I'm very familar with but he's just fantastic in this - he may end up being praised by eps writers as much as Sean Astin for RotK!...
"I could take a pointer or two from you on how to write. " - now Quinn, you've been my favourite movie reviewer on eps for over a year and that's a compliment I just can't accept! (Maybe I should write more of my reviews at 3 in the morning if you really think so, though!!! :-P)
Cheers,
CaptainD
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May 16 '04
2:45 am PDT
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Re: Agree with the theatrical info, but not the historical info (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Ah well that would explain it a bit, thanks for the info. (I promise I will get round to readin g The Iliad soon!)
I will update the review slightly to reflect the fact that it deviates significantly from the book.
Thanks again,
CaptainD
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May 16 '04
2:42 am PDT
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Re: Interesting (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
I was really surprised when I saw that the few people who'd got here before me had given it a really low rating - but I guess it's either going to be your cup of tea or... not!
CaptainD
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May 16 '04
2:40 am PDT
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Bug surprise (Reply to this comment)
by carl_lazarevic
How did I know you'd be giving this 5 stars?
Go on guess.
Carl
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May 15 '04
6:55 pm PDT
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Sounds good... (Reply to this comment)
by JediKermit
You're one of the few reviews I've read that have given it a full five stars...which is cool. Haven't seen it yet, but I keep on hearing that Eric Bana is brilliant. I just don't know if I can buy Pitt. I liked him in Fight Club...but in everything else I've seen him in, I haven't been a fan.
Anyway, great review, straightforward, well organized...I could take a pointer or two from you on how to write.
-Quinn
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May 15 '04
4:53 pm PDT
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Agree with the theatrical info, but not the historical info (Reply to this comment)
by bloodline23
A agree with much of what you said about the acting and special effects, but a cliff-notes version of the Iliad would be able to point out all the errors. Characters like Odysseus were strained because, in the Iliad, he played a very small role until the Trojan horse episode. That means they really had to just make up most of the relationship between Achilles and Odysseus. I would think they were not friends though, since Achilles preferred brute strength to Oddyseus' smart plans. Also, Odysseus was the one who tricked Achilles into joining the war (Achilles' parents hid him from the call to arms by dressing him as a girl, but Odysseus put a sword in a handmaiden's basket to lure out Achilles). I would bet the two weren't tight friends like it is portrayed in the movie. My guess is that they made Odysseus a major character here so that they can later make a movie based on the Odyssey as sort of a sequel. Also, Achilles is portrayed as an intellectual like the heroes Theseus and Perseus (the Athenian heroes), when in reality he was just a pure warrior.
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May 15 '04
11:50 am PDT
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Interesting (Reply to this comment)
by msmarques
how didn't people have such completely different takes on this film. I guess I'll have to see it to decide for myself!
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May 15 '04
8:54 am PDT
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Re: 3 am? (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hehe... me too Shiela... if I had any sense, it will be tonight!
CaptainD
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May 15 '04
6:57 am PDT
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Re: I wish I could have ... (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
I'm actually glad I still haven't read it yet then! (Still on the shelf, gathering dust... also I have to admit that I found reading The Oddysey rather hard-going...
CaptainD
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May 15 '04
6:57 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: The (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hey David!
In the end I took a couple of hours sleep - all I could get at the time - and am looking forward to an early night tonight!!!
Thanks for the comment / compliment! :-D
CaptainD
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May 15 '04
6:55 am PDT
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3 am? (Reply to this comment)
by skbreese,  in Movies
Dave, Excellent review for 3am. I'm usually just getting to my REM sleep by then. Best wishes. Sheila
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May 15 '04
6:48 am PDT
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I wish I could have ... (Reply to this comment)
by nchoward
seen the movie w/o knowing about the poem. I am the first to admit that knowing Homer ruined it for me. I was totally shocked when the whole movie took place in only 2 weeks ... there was no coming up from that.
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May 14 '04
10:25 pm PDT
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Re: Re: The (Reply to this comment)
by dpjohansen
(Have decided not to go to sleep at all since I need to get up early anyway - there just doesn't seem to be any point going to be now!)
I was just thinking that myself.. at..er..5.45am!
I still haven't made my mind up about this bloody film.. I'll probably see it eventually, I think I'll wait for video, though.
At any rate, grand review, Sir.
Cheers,
~David
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May 14 '04
8:42 pm PDT
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Re: The (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
Hey George!
Great insight, huh? I've never been accused of that before!
I was kind of dissapointed with Oddyseus character right from the start here especially with as good an actor as Sean Bean playing the role - in fact, it was the only real disappointment of the film for me. (I was kind of expecting Orlando Bloom to be uninspiring, so it wasn't a disappointment as such to find I was right!!)
Cheers,
CaptainD
(Have decided not to go to sleep at all since I need to get up early anyway - there just doesn't seem to be any point going to be now!)
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May 14 '04
8:24 pm PDT
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The (Reply to this comment)
by George_Chabot, in Movies
only part I was a little disappointed in was not showing the cunning of Odysseus, who was a fox in both the Iliad and the Odyssey, where he of course took center stage. Great insight, Dave!
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May 14 '04
8:19 pm PDT
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